Warren Buffet Shareholder Meeting QA Summary
By N/A
21 December, 2008
I had the good fortune to attend the 2008 Berkshire Hathaway shareholders meeting at
Omaha, Nebraska a few weeks back.
It was a wonderful experience listening to and learning from the Master
Investor- Warren Buffett himself and all I can say is that he stands alone
as the reigning deity of financial world's Mt Olympus!
The degree of humility and composure he exhibited, although he is the
richest and most well respected human is stunning!
I tried to take some notes and would like to share with you some of the
best questions and answers which came across during the conversation
between us mortals and God.
Having read about him, observed him and worshipped him for a few years
now, I think it is reasonable to believe that this guy is exactly what he
seems: a plain-speaking, tee totaling man of uncrackable integrity who
works really, really hard and sticks to his investing and management
principles through boom and bust which makes him a freak of nature since
he is above normal human tendencies. He is like a comet streaking through the
heavens every 75 years or so.
The questions the shareholders threw at him for 7 continuous hours ranged
from finances, life, religion, career, politics, sports and several other
streams. And he answered everything with a Zen like calm and confidence.
Even if you are least bothered about investments and finances, I insist,
please read on.
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What does it take to become a successful investor? Brilliance or
Smartness?
Neither, Success in investing doesn't correlate with I.Q. Once you have
ordinary intelligence, what you need is the temperament to control the
urges that gets other people into trouble in investing.
When do you decide to invest in a firm?
The best thing that happens to us is when a great company gets into
temporary trouble. We want to buy them when they're on the operating
table. (Mr. Buffett bought Coke when it had its biggest fiasco after
launching New Coke; he bought American Express when it went through a loss making
phase in the early 60's).
What do you look for in people when they come to sell their firms to you?
I don't look for the usual credentials such as an MBA, a pedigree (Harvard, Wharton), or
cash reserves or market cap of their firm. What I look for is just a passion in their eyes; I
think that's the key. A person who is hungry will always do well. I prefer it when people
even after selling stay on and work for the firm; they are people who can't wait to get off
their bed to get to work. Passion is everything; there is no replacement for innate
interest.
Mr. Buffett, you told us that Berkshire Hathaway has $ 45 Billion in cash.
Why aren't you investing?
Up until a few years back I had more ideas than money. Now I have more
money than ideas.
When do you plan to retire?
I love my job; I love it so much that I tap dance to work. Mrs. B, the
founder of Nebraska Furniture Mark worked until she was 104, she died
within 6 months of her retirement, that's a lesson to all my managers,
don't retire! I personally am going to work 6-7 years after I die,
probably that's what they mean when they say- "Thinking out of the Box"!!
Why do stock market crashes happen?
Because of human nature for greed and insecurity. The 1970s were
unbelievable. The world wasn't going to end, but businesses were being
given away. Human nature has not changed. People will always behave in a
manic-depressive way over time. They will offer great values to you."
What are the things that are taught wrong in Business school and the
corporate world?
I like such open ended questions, I think Business schools should refrain
from teaching their wards about profit making and profit making alone, it
gives a sense of 1 dimensional outlook to the young students that loss is
a curse. In reality, in the corporate world, failure and loss making are
inevitable. The capital market without loss is like Christianity without
hell. I think they should teach the student on how to buy a business, how
to value a business? Not just on how to determine the price of a business.
Because price is what you pay, value is what you get.
Do you still hate Technology stocks?
With Coke I can come up with a very rational figure for the cash it will
generate in the future. But with the top 10 Internet companies, how much
cash will they produce over the next 25 years? If you say you don't know,
then you don't know what it is worth and you are speculating, not
investing. All I know is that I don't know, and if I don't know, I don't
invest."
How to think about Investing?
The first investment primer was written by Aesop in 600 B.C. He said, 'A
bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.' Aesop forgot to say when you
get the two in the bush and what interest rates are; investing is simply
figuring out your cash outlay (the bird in the hand) and comparing it to
how many birds are in the bush and when you get them."
How do you feel after donating $ 40 Billion to the Bill and Melinda Gates
foundation? You are a hero to us!
I feel nothing. I haven't sacrificed anything in life. I have had a good
life. I donated after I turned 75. I think I admire those people who
sacrifice their time, share their food and home, as the people to be
emulated not me. Besides, what is money before a man's life?
What do you think are the pitfalls in donation?
I have never donated a dime to churches or other such organizations; I
need to believe in something before I end up doing that. I have been
observing the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation for years now and I am
confident they will do a fantastic job of making use of the money. I am a
big believer in outsourcing; others believed in me as an Investor and gave
their hard earned money to invest. I believe in Bill Gates, he is a better
donor than me.
Why do you work from Omaha and not Wall Street, New York?
Wall Street is the only place where people alight from Rolls Royce to get
advised by people who use the Public transportation system.
You seem to be so well read, tell us how it all started.
My father was a stock broker, so we had all these financial books in our
library. He introduced me to those classics and I got into them. I am
lucky that my father was not a fan of Playboy! Reading is the best habit
you can get. Well, you can learn from teachers too, and have mentors but
there are so many constraints attached- they will talk fast, talk slow,
they might talk like a pro or they might be terrible communicators. Books
are a different animal altogether, I love reading! The beauty about
reading and learning is that the more you learn the more you want to
learn.
People who join Berkshire Hathaway seldom leave. How do you get along well
with all your executives?
I try to get quality people. I always say - Hire someone in your
organization who is better than you are. If you do that, you build a
company of giants. If you get people worse than yourself, you build a
company of dwarfs. And do not try to do everything yourself. Delegate the
jobs and look out of the window... The results will come. That's how you
build institutions. It happens only when you empower others, believe in
others. I am an investor, I am very secured at that, I have no clue how to
make Coca-Cola or how to dole out credit cards (Mr. Buffett owns 8% of
Coca-Cola and 13 % of American Express). I understand the wisdom of the
aphorism that you cannot please all the people all the time. Of Course,
you will always find qualities that you don't like in people around you,
but if you observe carefully the love of the work unites you both. There
is no point in being obsessive about a bad quality in a person, whom you
otherwise respect.
I am a small time businessman from Dallas, Texas, what do I need to do to
hit big time?
Be patient, Achieving your financial goals and dreams will not happen
overnight. As much as we would all really love to accomplish our goals in
a few years, this is an ongoing process. Defining your financial goals is
not a one-time task; you need to keep adding new plans at different stages
in your life. We all admire the skills of Olympic ice skaters, pro
golfers, and concert pianists. But do we remember that they didn't acquire
their skills overnight? They had to practice hours on end for years to
achieve their dreams. The key to success is to continue learning
throughout your life with a voracious appetite.
I think it is marvelous that you have had a golden run with investing, how
did you do that?
My rule is to be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others
are fearful. Besides, I call investing the greatest job in the world
because you never have to swing. You stand at the plate; the pitcher
throws you General Motors at 47! U.S. Steel at 39! And nobody calls a
strike on you. There's no penalty except opportunity lost. All day you
wait for the pitch you like; then when the fielders are asleep, you step
up and hit it. Stay dispassionate and be patient. You're dealing with a
lot of silly people in the marketplace; it's like a great big casino and
everyone else is boozing. If you can stick with drinking Coke, you should
be OK. First the crowd is boozy on optimism and buying every new issue in
sight. The next moment it is boozy on pessimism, buying gold bars and
predicting another Great Depression, most people get interested in stocks
when everyone else is. The time to get interested is when no one else is...
You can't buy what is popular and do well.
Mr. Buffett you have seen so many crashes and recessions, your take on
facing recessions and stock market crashes?
If past history was all there was to the game, the richest people would be
librarians. Every scenario is different. But always remember, Tough times
do not last. Tough people do.
What is the 1 biggest advice you would impart to a young investor like me?
Think for a moment that you are given a car and told this is the only car
you would get for the rest of your life. Then you would make sure that you
car is taken care of well, it is oiled and detailed every now and then.
You would make sure that it never gets rusted, and you would garage it.
Think of yourself as that car. You just get 1 body, 1 mind and 1 soul.
Take care of it well. Invest in yourself that would be my advice.
You personally know many of the Financial executives who are engineers of
the current turmoil in the financial world, surprisingly even after record
losses, those executives receive astronomical salaries and bonuses and
arrogantly declare that they deserve it, why dint you advice them from
making such decisions and what's your view on their justification for
their pay?
I like sharing my ideas but don't like imposing my ideas on anybody. It
doesn't make sense and is a waste of time... If somebody has decided that
they know everything that is there to know, nobody can help them. The best
way to learn and succeed is to know that we know nothing. There is an
entire universe out there and still some of us think we can know
everything. In the world of investing a few people after making some money
tend to imagine they are invincible and great. This is the worst thing
that could happen to any investor, because it surely means that the
investor will end up taking unnecessary risks and end up losing everything
- arrogance, ego and overconfidence are very lethal. Personally I don't
feel too comfortable with too much extravagance, because I always think
like an investor. My thought process doesn't see a lot of value in a fancy
car or a designer suit. Thinking like an investor always is very important
to bring in a sense of discipline and focus. Before reading balance sheets
and investing you need to make sure your outlook and mindset is that of an
investor. Never let ego, arrogance and over-confidence control you - not
just as an investor but also as a human being. You will never have
internal peace if you are unable to look at everybody around you with
love, compassion and understanding. Irrespective of who the person is, he
or she can teach you something you don't know. I have learnt so much from
people all around me and I wouldn't have been able to learn all these
wonderful things if I had not spoken to them with a smile. To quote Sir
Isaac Newton- If I have seen farther than others, it is because I have
stood on the shoulders of giants.
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It was a 7 hour conversation and I could just capture some of the best
questions and answers. As 37,000+ dazed, amazed and grateful shareholders
trooped out of the stadium after the meeting, I found myself recalling one
of my favorite quotes-
"A man has to learn that he cannot command things, but that he can command
himself; that he cannot coerce the wills of others, but that he can mold
and master his own will: and things serve him who serves truth; people
seek guidance of him who is master of himself".